The Adjunct

The Adjunct is a new wiki, located at:

Its aim is to provide a home for material that is flagged here as being OffTopic; all topics are welcome. If someone marks your page as being OffTopic, or deletes it for being OffTopic, feel free to give it a new home there. If you are unsure as to whether a page should be here or on the Adjunct, see MovingPagesToTheAdjunct.

WardCunningham has graciously added it as a SisterSite to this wiki. (It already has this wiki, and others, as its SisterSites.)

It is a UseMod wiki run by EarleMartin and some friends.

What is the purpose of censoring "off topic" content? This Wiki has an exquisite and comprehensive feeling and character, dripping with programmerdom on every page, and its influential discussions of Principles Practices and Patterns are only supported by its occasional discussion of FrankZappa or DoctorWho.

I've got no problem with side discussions. I just don't think they merit the permanence that on-topic discussions do. This was once a great place to research patterns and programming issues. Now, you can barely find that stuff. There's still good information here, but you have to go elsewhere to find the pointer to the right pages.

There have always been disagreements as to what is OffTopic and what is not, and what should stay or go regardless. The fact that the Adjunct has appeared has done nothing to change that, it merely offers another place to host pages.

The point is that if someone wants a page, but there's consensus that it should go away, they now have the alternative to move it to the Adjunct rather than be sad that it is continually deleted.

That is a very different thing than assuming that, anytime one person thinks a page can be deleted, it therefore will be, so long as a copy is made to the Adjunct. That's getting the point of it backwards.

There was never any reason to assume so, that's simply confusion.

Please help both TheAdjunct and this Wiki to improve its coherence by incrementally refactoring marginal content towards topicality, and by making TheAdjunct a place topical and coherent in its own best way.

Ask Earle

For a commitment to pluralism to bear fruits one of the following conditions have to be met:

  1. all participants are committed to pluralism
  2. there's a GodKing (or a political power of some sort) at work that is totally committed to pluralism
  3. commitment to pluralism is enforced by technology

I wouldn't have any problem contributing to any on-line forum where RK is also present, provided that pluralism is achieved in some way. RK has an inalienable right to air his points of view as forcibly and as powerfully as he sees fit, on the sole condition that he doesn't try to aquire unfair advantages in the marketplace of ideas or otherwise undermine pluralism. Heck, even RA should be granted "air space". Obviously the most principled approach would be (3) and I'm working on it. (2) has been known to work, for example at WikiPedia. -- Costin

I agree that one or more of 1 through 3 would be necessary; at this point in history, that's common sense. (1) is not apparently enforceable, short of hand-picking allowed participants, (2) is obviously possible, but most GodKings are not committed to pluralism, and (3) isn't currently implemented yet. -- Doug

"This was once a great place to research patterns and programming issues. Now, you can barely find that stuff. There's still good information here, but you have to go elsewhere to find the pointer to the right pages."

I'm not clear how MovingPagesToTheAdjunct solves the root problem of not finding stuff. Wouldn't the effort of deleting OffTopic material be better spent on the usual WikiGnome activities of categorization, interlinking pages and cleaning up content? In my experience, the pages not of interest simply aren't visited because you don't click on their links. -- IanOsgood

I agree with your logic. MovingPagesToTheAdjunct solves a different problem. And up until Google stopped indexing c2 (GoogleHatesWiki) and destroyed most of its old index on c2, I hardly ever had trouble finding things here, so I don't really understand/sympathize with the complaint to start with.

Other people have complained that new material of interest to them isn't being created, but hey, as (someone) on the old SaturdayNightLive? said, "if you don't like the news, go out and make some of your own". :-) Seriously, when I note something missing from c2 (and if I care, naturally), I create it or ask about it. Seems straightforward to me. -- DougMerritt

Hello Earle et al. Two BIG thumbs up to the Adjunct. Excellent work and definitely a very valuable contribution to this wiki and the larger wiki community -- StevenNewton

The adjunct appears set to read only of late. What's up with that? The "Edit" link has been replaced by a read-only notice. Is it an IP-address-related block-out?

TheAdjunct was getting hammered with spam, so it appears EarleMartin implemented a general "read only" status while he works on improved anti-spam measures. -- DaveVoorhis

So let me get this strait: TheAdjunct has been Ad Junked. I see.

Oops! Sorry folks, mea culpa. Edit lock's off now. If there are problems with the site, please email me for a faster result! -- EarleMartin

Earle, may I suggest you appoint a second volunteer steward to keep an eye on it for the times you are busy with life. Thanks. --top

It's mainly been server-side issues rather than wiki-side ones of late, but I'll have a think about the possibility of such a setup. Cheers. -- EarleMartin

The adjunct is still broken %22 problem, server sucks, and Wiki is nearly dead. The whole project was a ruse, and it kills c2 Wiki.

Definitely See MovingPagesToTheAdjunct
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